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Ben Soifer: Hello Aug 28, 2003 7:41:11 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: we're just hanging out testing here Aug 28, 2003 7:41:33 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Anyone know how to turn off the sound effects? Aug 28, 2003 7:41:38 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: good question! Aug 28, 2003 7:41:52 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: I am also logged on to the SIS system Aug 28, 2003 7:43:36 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: so if I take a while to reply it is because I am also typing there! Aug 28, 2003 7:43:54 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but so far I only know one person who couldn't get on Aug 28, 2003 7:44:49 PM EDT
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Juana Careaga: hello everyone Aug 28, 2003 7:45:14 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: hello Aug 28, 2003 7:45:21 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: hi Aug 28, 2003 7:45:25 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: hello Aug 28, 2003 7:45:34 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Hi all. Aug 28, 2003 7:45:40 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I surprised myself with this new system. Aug 28, 2003 7:46:09 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: how so? Aug 28, 2003 7:46:17 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I did not have much trouble getting to know my way around Aug 28, 2003 7:46:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: good! Aug 28, 2003 7:46:33 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: it's a bit harder to put all the class materials in! Aug 28, 2003 7:46:46 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: is someone drawing? Aug 28, 2003 7:47:02 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Thanks to a good support staff at FSU and a great techie at work I feel much more comfortable Aug 28, 2003 7:47:03 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: great Aug 28, 2003 7:47:11 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: it always helps to have a techie on staff! Aug 28, 2003 7:47:29 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: Gosh this is my 1st time using this version of Bb. Aug 28, 2003 7:47:30 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: that's why I married my husband! Aug 28, 2003 7:47:38 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: By the way, I have to toot the horn for my library. Aug 28, 2003 7:47:46 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: This is really cool! Aug 28, 2003 7:47:48 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: no - just kidding - I didn't even use computers back then.... Aug 28, 2003 7:47:59 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: We have a hugh NASA exhibit coming next month Aug 28, 2003 7:48:04 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: where is this, Diane? Aug 28, 2003 7:48:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: soemone IS drawing! Aug 28, 2003 7:48:38 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Brunswick GA Aug 28, 2003 7:48:40 PM EDT
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William Holden: Good evening Aug 28, 2003 7:49:12 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Our Techie is a former Nasa computer whiz so he is really excited by this Aug 28, 2003 7:49:24 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: Hello all Aug 28, 2003 7:49:27 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: did you click in the box where you type? Aug 28, 2003 7:49:50 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: hello Aug 28, 2003 7:49:50 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I just typed and hit enter Aug 28, 2003 7:50:06 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: I can see Robert's posting, can anyone else? Aug 28, 2003 7:50:44 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I have a blinking line in the compose box so it is very similar to the other type. Aug 28, 2003 7:50:47 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: Hi everyone Aug 28, 2003 7:50:52 PM EDT
William Holden: No I can't Aug 28, 2003 7:50:52 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I can see Roberts posting Aug 28, 2003 7:51:03 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Robert, you are showing up in my pm too Aug 28, 2003 7:51:12 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: is it blue lines? Aug 28, 2003 7:51:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: yes Aug 28, 2003 7:51:32 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: . Aug 28, 2003 7:51:46 PM EDT
William Holden: Oh ok. I can see them as well. I wasn't sure what everyone was talking about Aug 28, 2003 7:51:49 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Robert's questions are all listed in my Question Inbox Aug 28, 2003 7:51:51 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: OK, we are just hanging out and trying to help solve anyone's technical problems Aug 28, 2003 7:52:17 PM EDT
William Holden: ok...so far so good I think Aug 28, 2003 7:52:35 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: I'm glad to see the others ... when I logged in before it was just me so I wasn't sure of what I saw ... whether it was right or not Aug 28, 2003 7:53:37 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: The manual says: "When a user, using the Accessible Collaboration Tool, enters or exits the room the sound of a door opening or closing will be audible to all participants in the Collaboration Session. " so if anyone can find where the Accessible Collaboration Tool controls are perhaps we could get rid of those annoying sound effects. Aug 28, 2003 7:53:42 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: At least I'm not getting bumped off when I backspace :) Aug 28, 2003 7:54:00 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Does that sound like a door though? Aug 28, 2003 7:54:03 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: A very squeaky door. Aug 28, 2003 7:54:12 PM EDT
William Holden: I don't hear any sounds Aug 28, 2003 7:54:16 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: get the WD-40 Aug 28, 2003 7:54:22 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: hello Aug 28, 2003 7:54:40 PM EDT
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Ashley Moore: Marcia, if you use the Java version of Ichat you should not have the backspace problem Aug 28, 2003 7:54:55 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Turn your sound off, that is what I did. Aug 28, 2003 7:55:17 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Where do you do that, Diane? Aug 28, 2003 7:55:25 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: thanks ashley ... it was hit or miss ... sometimes i had problems, sometimes not Aug 28, 2003 7:55:30 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: On your computer should be a button that allows you to adjust the sound Aug 28, 2003 7:55:53 PM EDT
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Ashley Moore: I had the same problem--hit or miss- but the Java login seems to have solved it Aug 28, 2003 7:56:12 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: I want to keep WQXR on but just get rid of these annoying sound effects! Aug 28, 2003 7:56:16 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Cant do both Aug 28, 2003 7:56:26 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Yes Aug 28, 2003 7:56:51 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: . Aug 28, 2003 7:56:52 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: /time Aug 28, 2003 7:57:09 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Hello everyone...this is 5263, correct? Aug 28, 2003 7:57:12 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: yes Aug 28, 2003 7:57:21 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: greettings everyone Aug 28, 2003 7:57:26 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: yes Aug 28, 2003 7:57:26 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Thanks Aug 28, 2003 7:57:28 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: good evening everyone! Aug 28, 2003 7:57:31 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Dr. Jorgensen was that you on the Whiteboard space? Aug 28, 2003 7:57:46 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Good evening, all! Aug 28, 2003 7:57:50 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: steve, maybe the help desk knows or tech support for bB6? Aug 28, 2003 7:58:03 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: No, not me on the whiteboard - someone should fess up! Aug 28, 2003 7:58:24 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: sometimes I hear the door but not all of the time ... Aug 28, 2003 7:59:42 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: oh i think i have it Aug 28, 2003 7:59:55 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: Me too Aug 28, 2003 7:59:56 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: there Aug 28, 2003 8:00:01 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Yea Robert! Aug 28, 2003 8:00:05 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: yeah Robert Aug 28, 2003 8:00:05 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: good what did you do? Aug 28, 2003 8:00:08 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: it was just something on the computer-the time strip at the top of my screen Aug 28, 2003 8:00:36 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I think about half of us are here now.. Aug 28, 2003 8:00:51 PM EDT
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Robert Slabaugh: dont i feel smar about now Aug 28, 2003 8:01:01 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: smart Aug 28, 2003 8:01:06 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: just lost someone! Aug 28, 2003 8:01:07 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: So we get a small class after all! ha ha Aug 28, 2003 8:01:13 PM EDT
John Daly: hope it's more stable than ichat Aug 28, 2003 8:01:21 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Tuesday night it took forever for that "strip" to load me into class Aug 28, 2003 8:01:23 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: well, there are a bunch of other people in the SIS system too Aug 28, 2003 8:01:33 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I'm back Aug 28, 2003 8:01:48 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: right now my husband is volunteering and trying to trouble-shoot with them Aug 28, 2003 8:01:52 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Will that be available to us all semester all Aug 28, 2003 8:01:56 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: although I think it is mostly their own system problems likely Aug 28, 2003 8:02:14 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: whoops, all semester long? Aug 28, 2003 8:02:15 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Anne, what do you mean? Aug 28, 2003 8:02:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: what will be available? Aug 28, 2003 8:02:30 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: how come my little raise hand icon is greyed out? Aug 28, 2003 8:02:30 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: The SIS option for chat? Aug 28, 2003 8:02:45 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: in case this chat fails, Anne? Aug 28, 2003 8:03:04 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: No, the SIS option won't, we need to use this system if possible Aug 28, 2003 8:03:15 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: this system has more features Aug 28, 2003 8:03:22 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Kelly what window are you talking about? Aug 28, 2003 8:03:34 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but we will have the SIS system in case Bb is not available Aug 28, 2003 8:03:40 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I think this system is more stable too Aug 28, 2003 8:03:42 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Seems to be more complicated but so far not too bad Aug 28, 2003 8:03:51 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: it seems pretty good so far, faster response than the other one Aug 28, 2003 8:03:58 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: definetly more complicated Aug 28, 2003 8:04:10 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: This is the first time I have seen the blackboard system for classes at FSU. Will other classed be changing to this format? Aug 28, 2003 8:04:18 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: i'm having trouble controlling the size of the window and i have a little icon that i can't use Aug 28, 2003 8:04:21 PM EDT
William Holden: It will take a little getting use to working on this Aug 28, 2003 8:04:29 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I am just concentrating on chatting and not worrying about the top half of the room right now. Aug 28, 2003 8:04:46 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Yes, it's new to me, too, Jodie, and I'm a little nervous about it Aug 28, 2003 8:04:55 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I didn't even know the program was switching to BlackBoard. We use WebCT where I teach, and it's similar Aug 28, 2003 8:05:01 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: absolutely Diane! Aug 28, 2003 8:05:06 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I don't know why the icon is greyed out Aug 28, 2003 8:05:09 PM EDT
William Holden: Me too Diane...Does anyone know if it's possible to increase the size of this window Aug 28, 2003 8:05:21 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I just checked the "permissions" and it seems as though I should be able to let you do that Aug 28, 2003 8:05:27 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I made mine the full screen Aug 28, 2003 8:05:30 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but I can't select it either Aug 28, 2003 8:05:32 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: Jodie are you the one that lives in Marathon? Aug 28, 2003 8:05:34 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Christine, how did you do that? Aug 28, 2003 8:05:37 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I tried and con nopt do it Aug 28, 2003 8:05:39 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Hmmm... permissions just went away on the whiteboard and group browser Aug 28, 2003 8:05:40 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: hee hee Aug 28, 2003 8:05:47 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: sorry "not" Aug 28, 2003 8:05:52 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: My screen had the whole box and half box up in the right, I just clicked it on, but I don't seem to have other things people are talking about Aug 28, 2003 8:06:01 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: can i make the whiteboard smaller?? Aug 28, 2003 8:06:01 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I'd like to make the conversation area bigger ... less scrolling ... easier to keep on eye on the chatting if I can see more Aug 28, 2003 8:06:06 PM EDT
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Mary Dumbleton: my window covers my entire screen and then some i can't get the whole thing Aug 28, 2003 8:06:14 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: me too MM Aug 28, 2003 8:06:15 PM EDT
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Jodie Patterson: No, I am in Gainesville Juana Aug 28, 2003 8:06:35 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I could adjust the box sizes Monday when I used a different computer Aug 28, 2003 8:06:39 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: I get only about 10 lines of chat Aug 28, 2003 8:06:42 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: I have a tiny little window for the chat - about seven lines. Aug 28, 2003 8:06:46 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: It had a different browser versions Aug 28, 2003 8:06:48 PM EDT
David Hildebrandt: I dont think my computer likes this chat version....dumped memory twice Aug 28, 2003 8:06:53 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: this is fine for me, im not touching anything and take a chance on getting lost again Aug 28, 2003 8:07:02 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Same here. Aug 28, 2003 8:07:03 PM EDT
William Holden: Not good David Aug 28, 2003 8:07:04 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: Marcia, I have the same problem, I can't scroll the dialogue Aug 28, 2003 8:07:08 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: sometime adjusting the pixel ratio in my computer helps capture more of the screen. Aug 28, 2003 8:07:25 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I can scroll but not much reading area. Aug 28, 2003 8:07:32 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: well, it will take a couple of weeks for us to get used to this Aug 28, 2003 8:07:36 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: Very True! Aug 28, 2003 8:07:46 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: I'm just glad I got in tonight alright so I don't get dumped!! Aug 28, 2003 8:08:16 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: Looks like part of the weekend is an indepth look through the help section Aug 28, 2003 8:08:21 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: Jodie Patterson I'm in G'vlle too Aug 28, 2003 8:08:23 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I'm searching Google for some helpful hints from the other people in the world that have used this :) Aug 28, 2003 8:08:31 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Agreed, Diane! Aug 28, 2003 8:08:32 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: can anyone read this? Aug 28, 2003 8:08:34 PM EDT
William Holden: Printing out the manual and reviewing it again Aug 28, 2003 8:08:37 PM EDT
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Anna Karsner: Yes, Dawn Aug 28, 2003 8:08:40 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: Yes, dawn Aug 28, 2003 8:08:46 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: Did you check out the textbook from the Library West? Aug 28, 2003 8:08:50 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I see it Dawn Aug 28, 2003 8:08:59 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: hmmm thanks, I can't see it though Aug 28, 2003 8:09:10 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: Is anyone in Tallahassee, or is everyone distance people Aug 28, 2003 8:09:12 PM EDT
William Holden: I'm in Atlanta Aug 28, 2003 8:09:20 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: in tally here Aug 28, 2003 8:09:23 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: I am in Tally Aug 28, 2003 8:09:25 PM EDT
Ben Soifer: I am in Tally Aug 28, 2003 8:09:30 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Ft Lauderdale Aug 28, 2003 8:09:31 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: TLH here! (well, really Crawfordville) Aug 28, 2003 8:09:32 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I'm in Olrnado Aug 28, 2003 8:09:32 PM EDT
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Juana Careaga: Key West Aug 28, 2003 8:09:36 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: Jacksonville Aug 28, 2003 8:09:38 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: cool, im not the only one Aug 28, 2003 8:09:38 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I am in Georgia Aug 28, 2003 8:09:38 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Miami Aug 28, 2003 8:09:40 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Jax Aug 28, 2003 8:09:40 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: I can see myself now yeahhh Aug 28, 2003 8:09:42 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Yea! Aug 28, 2003 8:09:54 PM EDT
William Holden: Diane what part of Georgia Aug 28, 2003 8:09:59 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: On the coast Brunswick Aug 28, 2003 8:10:12 PM EDT
William Holden: Nice area Aug 28, 2003 8:10:19 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: West Virginia Aug 28, 2003 8:10:25 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: Next year's site of the G-* confrence Aug 28, 2003 8:10:29 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: sorry the G-8 Aug 28, 2003 8:10:38 PM EDT
Lakeisha Mose-Manning: check Aug 28, 2003 8:10:57 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Hi Lakeisha Aug 28, 2003 8:11:09 PM EDT
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Jodie Patterson: Cheris, I am trying to private message you but it si not working? I ordered the book and am wating for its arrival Aug 28, 2003 8:11:13 PM EDT
Lakeisha Mose-Manning: hello Aug 28, 2003 8:11:39 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I have ordered the text through Books a Million and am waiting for it to come in. Aug 28, 2003 8:11:57 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: Yeah I don't know how to check it? I'll try you. Aug 28, 2003 8:12:08 PM EDT
William Holden: I received mine the other day from Amazon Aug 28, 2003 8:12:12 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: this class shouldnt scare me like it did my first semester Aug 28, 2003 8:12:16 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: Thank you Dr. C for giving us access to the first chapter Aug 28, 2003 8:12:26 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: hi, I think I am back Aug 28, 2003 8:12:41 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: Amazon had free shipping Aug 28, 2003 8:12:42 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: yes thank you Aug 28, 2003 8:12:46 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Or rather CJ Aug 28, 2003 8:12:47 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: there are some bugs! Aug 28, 2003 8:12:51 PM EDT
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William Holden: I'm in the same boat with you Anna Aug 28, 2003 8:17:33 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I got mine from Amazon too Aug 28, 2003 8:12:55 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: call me dr j Aug 28, 2003 8:13:02 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: As did I Aug 28, 2003 8:13:03 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: ;-> Aug 28, 2003 8:13:06 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: thank dr j Aug 28, 2003 8:13:11 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: OK, Jodie I can't make the private chat work either. Aug 28, 2003 8:13:14 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: I ordered my texxt today but was told two weeks Aug 28, 2003 8:13:14 PM EDT
William Holden: wow that's a long wait Aug 28, 2003 8:13:31 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Unless the FSU bookstore comes thru sooner Aug 28, 2003 8:13:31 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I can turn the pm on and off ;-> Aug 28, 2003 8:13:33 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: I got mine no trouble at the FSU bookstore Aug 28, 2003 8:13:36 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: Oh, tricky Aug 28, 2003 8:13:44 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: me too Aug 28, 2003 8:13:45 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so I will keep it off some of the time Aug 28, 2003 8:13:52 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: Who do you know at the bookstore Robert? :-) Aug 28, 2003 8:13:53 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: right Christine Aug 28, 2003 8:13:56 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: Ok Dr.J- can I get a little help? Aug 28, 2003 8:14:02 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: sure Aug 28, 2003 8:14:06 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: I have my connections Aug 28, 2003 8:14:08 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Cheris? Aug 28, 2003 8:14:14 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: When? THey were suppossed to call me when it ws in, and that was over 10 days ago, and twice they have told me they haven't gotten it Aug 28, 2003 8:14:20 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: How do I activate the PM Aug 28, 2003 8:14:27 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: I am not a big fan of the FSU bookstore Aug 28, 2003 8:14:38 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: you can only use it when I have it turned on Aug 28, 2003 8:14:43 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: I checked on the text on Monday and the book store said they will not have them in until 9-6 ish Aug 28, 2003 8:14:44 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: I got mine about two or three days ago Aug 28, 2003 8:14:47 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Can we start talking about the course Aug 28, 2003 8:15:00 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: I called Bills Tuesday and they said they had them, bought it at Bills Wednesday Aug 28, 2003 8:15:07 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: I just got my last ones today Aug 28, 2003 8:15:10 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: well then that explains it Aug 28, 2003 8:15:16 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: a book called who moved my cheese Aug 28, 2003 8:15:28 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: OK, we were waiting for those on the SIS system to see if they can get it to work Aug 28, 2003 8:15:37 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: ok Aug 28, 2003 8:15:43 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: it seems mostly that they don't have Java enabled Aug 28, 2003 8:15:48 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Oh, okay, I forgot about them Dr. J Aug 28, 2003 8:15:50 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: They really dropped the ball on me, then, because I have been on the waiting list for 2 weeks Aug 28, 2003 8:15:58 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but maybe some of them will get it working and join us Aug 28, 2003 8:16:05 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: tonight is kind of low key Aug 28, 2003 8:16:15 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: are you at FSU Anne? Aug 28, 2003 8:16:20 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: I will take questions about the course Aug 28, 2003 8:16:25 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: and about the syllabus Aug 28, 2003 8:16:35 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: and tell you about myself a bit Aug 28, 2003 8:16:46 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Dr J, if you haven't had Info Organization, is this class going to be a killer? Aug 28, 2003 8:16:54 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: then we may discuss the Bush article Aug 28, 2003 8:16:59 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: How much should we understand algorithims, can you give an example? Aug 28, 2003 8:17:01 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: NO, WV, but I phoned about it two weeks ago, and was suppossed to be called when it came in, and have called them 2 times to check, and they said they have not recieved it yet Aug 28, 2003 8:17:07 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Anna, in a word, yes Aug 28, 2003 8:17:08 PM EDT
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Anna Karsner: great.... Aug 28, 2003 8:17:20 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: Me too Aug 28, 2003 8:17:39 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: people can take the class without info org but it is harder for them Aug 28, 2003 8:17:39 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: I guess it's a good thing this is my only class this semester Aug 28, 2003 8:17:42 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I'll warn all of you that this is one of the harder classes here Aug 28, 2003 8:17:51 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: the main thing is to really keep up Aug 28, 2003 8:18:00 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: Now that I've been bumped for the first time I can adjust the windows! Aug 28, 2003 8:18:04 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: and use the extra resources I will provide Aug 28, 2003 8:18:16 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: as for algorithms Aug 28, 2003 8:18:28 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: what we do is focus on concepts, not the math Aug 28, 2003 8:18:40 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: (listening) Aug 28, 2003 8:18:43 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: we don't really go into the math in the book Aug 28, 2003 8:18:59 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: unless someone wants to on an individual level Aug 28, 2003 8:19:11 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: as I said, we focus on the concepts of how things work Aug 28, 2003 8:19:29 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: So when we are doing the readings, I just need to be concerned about the general idea, not the actual calculating Aug 28, 2003 8:19:35 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: right Aug 28, 2003 8:19:44 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: whewww... Aug 28, 2003 8:19:53 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: that's a relief anyway Aug 28, 2003 8:19:55 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but - some of the ideas are kind of tricky too Aug 28, 2003 8:19:56 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Thanks for the clarification on that, Dr. J. I was a little concerned. Aug 28, 2003 8:19:59 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: this class takes a lot of thought about the concepts Aug 28, 2003 8:20:30 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: just a quick "test" here? Aug 28, 2003 8:20:43 PM EDT
Anne Waller: . Aug 28, 2003 8:21:22 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: how many people know what the following are: metadata, inverted index, Aug 28, 2003 8:21:22 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: for starters Aug 28, 2003 8:21:27 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Meta data is data about data Aug 28, 2003 8:21:40 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: metadata we discussed in lis5703 Aug 28, 2003 8:21:44 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: metadata is data about data Aug 28, 2003 8:21:49 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I second that CJ Aug 28, 2003 8:21:52 PM EDT
Eric Ryan: data descriptors Aug 28, 2003 8:21:59 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: no clue on inverted index Aug 28, 2003 8:22:02 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Yes, I agree, and can stab at the inverted index Aug 28, 2003 8:22:12 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: I didn't know either of them, first semester here Aug 28, 2003 8:22:22 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: uh oh Aug 28, 2003 8:22:35 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: metadata OK, inverted index no Aug 28, 2003 8:22:47 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Dawn, this is not the best class for your first semester! Aug 28, 2003 8:22:54 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: you might want to think about taking this.... Aug 28, 2003 8:23:06 PM EDT
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William Holden: Hello again Aug 28, 2003 8:23:35 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Well, you will find out that while data about data is a very popular definition Aug 28, 2003 8:23:38 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: it is not a very good one Aug 28, 2003 8:23:44 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: even though we don't do "math" in this class Aug 28, 2003 8:23:57 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: hello Aug 28, 2003 8:24:06 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: we try to be very specific and precise about concepts Aug 28, 2003 8:24:16 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: having some problems here Aug 28, 2003 8:24:21 PM EDT
Anne Waller: me too RS - hang in there! Aug 28, 2003 8:24:32 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: you are on Robert Aug 28, 2003 8:24:37 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: for instance, a test could consist of 50 multiple choice questions Aug 28, 2003 8:24:41 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: and you would need 3 hours to take it Aug 28, 2003 8:24:49 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: because you have to think carefully Aug 28, 2003 8:25:00 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: however I will do my best to prepare you! Aug 28, 2003 8:25:10 PM EDT
William Holden: Thanks Dr J. My first semester here as well Aug 28, 2003 8:25:22 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: There will be weekly self-tests that should help a lot Aug 28, 2003 8:25:33 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: and let you know if you don't understand the concept Aug 28, 2003 8:25:57 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: That sounds fair Aug 28, 2003 8:26:00 PM EDT
William Holden: test Aug 28, 2003 8:26:10 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: see you wh Aug 28, 2003 8:26:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: my teaching philosophy is: Aug 28, 2003 8:26:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: learning is a journey, not a guided tour Aug 28, 2003 8:26:32 PM EDT
William Holden: Dr J. Can I ask a question about the weekly tests? Aug 28, 2003 8:26:44 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so, I think of a class as definitely a partnership Aug 28, 2003 8:26:46 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: where we both do our parts Aug 28, 2003 8:26:53 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: WIlliam? Aug 28, 2003 8:26:56 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: That sounds fair too Aug 28, 2003 8:27:09 PM EDT
William Holden: The weekly tests where will they be posted on the website Aug 28, 2003 8:27:10 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: I think they will be under the Course Materials Aug 28, 2003 8:27:33 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: What about the papers, will the subject be posted soon? Aug 28, 2003 8:27:46 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: can anyone see me now Aug 28, 2003 8:27:48 PM EDT
William Holden: Thanks Aug 28, 2003 8:27:54 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: yes Aug 28, 2003 8:27:56 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but I have not created one yet so some things don't work like I think they will Aug 28, 2003 8:27:57 PM EDT
Anne Waller: Yes JC Aug 28, 2003 8:28:00 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: whew! sorry for the interrupt Aug 28, 2003 8:28:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I will let you know as soon as the one for next week is up, where it is Aug 28, 2003 8:28:24 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I wonder how it was received at the time? Aug 28, 2003 8:56:45 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: I found it interesting and didnt know the dates of when those things came about Aug 28, 2003 8:56:54 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: The topics for the first paper will be up hopefully next week Aug 28, 2003 8:28:45 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: someone email me a reminder next week, just in case!! Aug 28, 2003 8:28:59 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: How long do the papers need to be Aug 28, 2003 8:29:07 PM EDT
William Holden: Sure thing Aug 28, 2003 8:29:08 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: good, the instructions are up there on the whiteboard, scroll down and you will see them Aug 28, 2003 8:29:57 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: thanks to Pai-Yen Aug 28, 2003 8:30:06 PM EDT
Pai-Yen Liu: You are welcome. Aug 28, 2003 8:30:30 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Please note the syllabus agreement assignment due next week too Aug 28, 2003 8:30:42 PM EDT
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Anna Karsner: Help! The whiteboard section of my screen is gone... Aug 28, 2003 8:31:14 PM EDT
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Lakeisha Mose-Manning: . Aug 28, 2003 8:31:56 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: hmm, try refreshing Aug 28, 2003 8:32:20 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: oops Aug 28, 2003 8:32:21 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: I am confident we will do fine Aug 28, 2003 8:32:25 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: I have heard that there is some bleed-through sometimes from other classes Aug 28, 2003 8:32:41 PM EDT
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Cleavon Brathwaite: . Aug 28, 2003 8:33:10 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Hi Cleavon Aug 28, 2003 8:33:18 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: . Aug 28, 2003 8:33:20 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: you got it working! Aug 28, 2003 8:33:24 PM EDT
Cleavon Brathwaite: hey it's working good Aug 28, 2003 8:33:30 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: great Aug 28, 2003 8:33:36 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: hope the others follow! Aug 28, 2003 8:33:43 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: OK, other questions about the class? Aug 28, 2003 8:34:01 PM EDT
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Cheris Carpenter: i'm a first semester too Dawn Aug 28, 2003 8:34:07 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: What aobut the requirements for being in the first class? Aug 28, 2003 8:34:23 PM EDT
Eric Ryan: ! Aug 28, 2003 8:34:42 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: there will be a prerequisite to this class next semester Aug 28, 2003 8:34:49 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Do we have to sign anything or go to any place to report that we are her? Aug 28, 2003 8:34:52 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: which is the course on info org Aug 28, 2003 8:35:02 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: here. Aug 28, 2003 8:35:03 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: great Cheris... I am glad I am not alone! Aug 28, 2003 8:35:07 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: No, Diane Aug 28, 2003 8:35:10 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I misunderstood your question Aug 28, 2003 8:35:17 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: the system logs the session Aug 28, 2003 8:35:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: and I can get your names from that Aug 28, 2003 8:35:29 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Thanks Dr.J Aug 28, 2003 8:35:40 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: I think I saw a button coming in for log archives... are they available for us to review? Aug 28, 2003 8:36:14 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: just to make sure I will try to make a quick note of who's here too Aug 28, 2003 8:36:24 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: yes, the archives should be available to everyone Aug 28, 2003 8:36:37 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Great. I have a perl script that collects names off log files if you want :) Aug 28, 2003 8:36:53 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: test Aug 28, 2003 8:36:58 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Harvey that sounds very useful! Aug 28, 2003 8:37:13 PM EDT
Anne Waller: testing again Aug 28, 2003 8:37:25 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: It counted the emoticons in the old system. pretty funny stuff Aug 28, 2003 8:37:31 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I can see you AW Aug 28, 2003 8:37:37 PM EDT
Anne Waller: thx Aug 28, 2003 8:37:46 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: i see you Anne Aug 28, 2003 8:38:34 PM EDT
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William Holden: Testing Aug 28, 2003 8:38:53 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: See you WH Aug 28, 2003 8:39:08 PM EDT
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Robert Slabaugh: arnt computers great Aug 28, 2003 8:39:16 PM EDT
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William Holden: so much fun Aug 28, 2003 8:39:46 PM EDT
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Robert Slabaugh: id like to take a baseball bat to mine sometimes Aug 28, 2003 8:40:10 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: . Aug 28, 2003 8:40:15 PM EDT
Catherine O'Hanlon: " " Aug 28, 2003 8:40:18 PM EDT
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William Holden: I couldn't agree more Robert Aug 28, 2003 8:40:27 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I know Robert - I feel the same way!!! Aug 28, 2003 8:40:33 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: I quess I froze Aug 28, 2003 8:40:39 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: OK. A bit about me... Aug 28, 2003 8:40:51 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Your computers are fine it is the system probably. Aug 28, 2003 8:40:52 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Ok, I'm working now... Aug 28, 2003 8:40:56 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: me too AM-D Aug 28, 2003 8:40:56 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I think more people are bumped off tonight than with the old ichat Aug 28, 2003 8:41:02 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I got an MLS and PhD at Syracuse U Aug 28, 2003 8:41:11 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Once the bugs are worked out we should have a lot less problems Aug 28, 2003 8:41:12 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: I 'm having more problems than w/old system Aug 28, 2003 8:41:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: after doing some other totally unrelated things Aug 28, 2003 8:41:49 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: like getting a BA in geology Aug 28, 2003 8:41:57 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: then becoming a metalsmith, also doing costuming in theater Aug 28, 2003 8:42:14 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so I'm like a lot of people who end up in this profession Aug 28, 2003 8:42:34 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: the long winding road to get here! Aug 28, 2003 8:42:47 PM EDT
Anne Waller: that's very interesting Aug 28, 2003 8:42:49 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: . Aug 28, 2003 8:42:56 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I understand! Aug 28, 2003 8:42:56 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: a metalsmith? interesting... Aug 28, 2003 8:43:02 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Sounds like a lot of fun as well Aug 28, 2003 8:43:10 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: very interesting Aug 28, 2003 8:43:15 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: so Dr.J- you're kind of like a rolling stone. Aug 28, 2003 8:43:21 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: when I started my PhD, I was interested in researching how people search for information Aug 28, 2003 8:43:25 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: this might be a dumb question, but what's a metalsmith do Aug 28, 2003 8:43:31 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: and specifically, how people search for images Aug 28, 2003 8:43:37 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: no dumb questions here Aug 28, 2003 8:43:44 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: mostly starve... Aug 28, 2003 8:43:51 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: Dr. J. Metalsmithing and costuming or metalsmithing for the costumes? Curious... Aug 28, 2003 8:43:55 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I used the term metalsmithing because I work in gold, silver, and copper Aug 28, 2003 8:44:14 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: thats cool Aug 28, 2003 8:44:24 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: and make jewelry but also larger pieces that are kind of like what you might find in Tutankamen's tomb! Aug 28, 2003 8:44:37 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: tried a crown once Aug 28, 2003 8:44:43 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: i thought it was like welding Aug 28, 2003 8:44:47 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: didn't finish it... Aug 28, 2003 8:44:48 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but I didn't apply metalsmithing to costuming! Aug 28, 2003 8:44:59 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: I'll save that for when I retire!! Aug 28, 2003 8:45:10 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: test Aug 28, 2003 8:45:17 PM EDT
Anne Waller: LOL Aug 28, 2003 8:45:17 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: oh, got it...very cool...working with metal is great fun! Aug 28, 2003 8:45:20 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I do use an oxy-acetalene torch Aug 28, 2003 8:45:32 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so don't get me mad Aug 28, 2003 8:45:40 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: ;-> Aug 28, 2003 8:45:46 PM EDT
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Harvey Ackerman: yes SIR Aug 28, 2003 8:45:56 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Dr. J. I know you said we could use any format for citation, but which do you recommend Aug 28, 2003 8:46:02 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: anyway, my PhD focused on how people search for images Aug 28, 2003 8:46:23 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I thought, with my "artistic" background, that would be fun Aug 28, 2003 8:46:36 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: I was going to buy a grad student citation software pak, is that ok? Aug 28, 2003 8:46:46 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so I collected a lot of descriptions that poeple gave for images Aug 28, 2003 8:47:02 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: interesting research, but I ended up looking at more text than images Aug 28, 2003 8:47:19 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: maybe there will be time to talk a bit about multimedia retrieval Aug 28, 2003 8:47:36 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: my favorite subject, but one that usually we don't have time to cover in this class... Aug 28, 2003 8:47:57 PM EDT
Lakeisha Mose-Manning: . Aug 28, 2003 8:48:37 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: Ebsco's inclusion of an image database has been a life saver recently Aug 28, 2003 8:48:40 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: as for citations, they just need to be pretty straightforward Aug 28, 2003 8:48:47 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: . Aug 28, 2003 8:48:49 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Okay Aug 28, 2003 8:49:01 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: and use the parenthetical form in the paper Aug 28, 2003 8:49:05 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: ok Aug 28, 2003 8:49:11 PM EDT
Anne Waller: gotcha Aug 28, 2003 8:49:17 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Tell us about it Ashley Aug 28, 2003 8:49:27 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: In its most recent update, Ebsco included an image database--thousands of pictures Aug 28, 2003 8:50:07 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: What is Ebsco? Aug 28, 2003 8:50:22 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: had someone needing multiple pictures of homeless individuals and was able to find quite a few Aug 28, 2003 8:50:58 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Isn't that a database of serial publications? Aug 28, 2003 8:51:08 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: just using the term homeless Aug 28, 2003 8:51:17 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: they take care of serial subscriptions Aug 28, 2003 8:51:21 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: for libraries Aug 28, 2003 8:51:30 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I was going to ask what the search mechanism was Aug 28, 2003 8:51:38 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so it is keyword basically just like a regular database Aug 28, 2003 8:51:50 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: yes Aug 28, 2003 8:51:56 PM EDT
William Holden: interesting Aug 28, 2003 8:52:02 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: it also includes broad topical divisions Aug 28, 2003 8:52:07 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: interesting, for a few years the Library of Congress had no term for "homeless" Aug 28, 2003 8:52:21 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: EbscoHost is available through Galileo in Georgia public libraries Aug 28, 2003 8:52:31 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I'll have to take a look at it, I'm working on an image indexing thesaurus Aug 28, 2003 8:52:56 PM EDT
William Holden: Thanks Diane Aug 28, 2003 8:52:56 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: and I am accessing it through GALILEO Aug 28, 2003 8:53:00 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: Dr. J- do we have I-chat on the 27th as indicated above? Aug 28, 2003 8:53:20 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I did not realize that they had an image database. Thanks Ashley Aug 28, 2003 8:53:30 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: You mean on Thanksgiving? Aug 28, 2003 8:53:46 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: yes Aug 28, 2003 8:53:51 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: no there is no class on Thanksgiving! Aug 28, 2003 8:54:02 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: thanks for clarification Aug 28, 2003 8:54:13 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: if we had one the topic would have to be turkey Aug 28, 2003 8:54:15 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: ok Aug 28, 2003 8:54:22 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Extra week for study! Aug 28, 2003 8:54:24 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: right, for the final! Aug 28, 2003 8:54:32 PM EDT
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Cheris Carpenter: we could share recipes that day Aug 28, 2003 8:54:50 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: test Aug 28, 2003 8:54:57 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: . Aug 28, 2003 8:54:58 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: test Aug 28, 2003 8:55:11 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: ok, who read the Vannevar Bush article? Aug 28, 2003 8:55:22 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: me Aug 28, 2003 8:55:28 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I did Aug 28, 2003 8:55:29 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: I did Aug 28, 2003 8:55:31 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Interesting article from Dr. Bush Aug 28, 2003 8:55:33 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: me, again Aug 28, 2003 8:55:34 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I found it very interesting Aug 28, 2003 8:55:35 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Me too Aug 28, 2003 8:55:38 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: read - yes - understood...um.... Aug 28, 2003 8:55:39 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: interesting to compare to today Aug 28, 2003 8:55:42 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: me Aug 28, 2003 8:55:43 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: I recomended to several people at work Aug 28, 2003 8:55:49 PM EDT
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William Holden: I did Aug 28, 2003 8:55:53 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: I kept checking the date that it was published ... he had some interesting ideas Aug 28, 2003 8:56:01 PM EDT
Ben Soifer: i did Aug 28, 2003 8:56:02 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: I did Aug 28, 2003 8:56:11 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: i did Aug 28, 2003 8:56:12 PM EDT
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Reva Lee: interesting article Aug 28, 2003 8:56:23 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Agreed, Marcia. To see all of that in 1945 Aug 28, 2003 8:56:27 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: it took a while to get through the language to understand what he was trying to explain Aug 28, 2003 8:56:35 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: very intriguing Aug 28, 2003 8:56:41 PM EDT
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William Holden: I agree Diane Aug 28, 2003 8:56:48 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Although abviously dated in some ways, it is timeless also Aug 28, 2003 8:56:50 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: agree DJ Aug 28, 2003 8:56:56 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: It was such an old fashioned way of talking Aug 28, 2003 8:56:59 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: well, are we there yet? Aug 28, 2003 8:57:08 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: did we freeze up? Aug 28, 2003 8:57:08 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Probably as a visionary type of article Aug 28, 2003 8:57:09 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: my question too MM Aug 28, 2003 8:57:10 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: . Aug 28, 2003 8:57:14 PM EDT
William Holden: testing Aug 28, 2003 8:57:32 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: . Aug 28, 2003 8:57:35 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: It know Diane, I liked the phrase "data from a whole roomful of girls armed with simple keyboard punches" Aug 28, 2003 8:57:53 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I guess that's what "girls" did then Aug 28, 2003 8:58:07 PM EDT
William Holden: Yes that was an interesting phrase Aug 28, 2003 8:58:20 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: It is pretty accurate description of how data got entered back then! Aug 28, 2003 8:58:21 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: I thought many of his ideas were really good but he kept using people to do what was the final stages Aug 28, 2003 8:58:35 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: I remember registering for classes with punch cards .. Aug 28, 2003 8:58:45 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Yes it was Harvey, it doesn't really seem that long ago Aug 28, 2003 8:58:48 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: ok, sorry, I think I got hung up Aug 28, 2003 8:58:56 PM EDT
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Harvey Ackerman: I remember punching punch cards! Aug 28, 2003 8:59:00 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: and that really showed a lack of follow through to the logical conclusions Aug 28, 2003 8:59:07 PM EDT
Catherine O'Hanlon: do not fold spindle or mutilate Aug 28, 2003 8:59:19 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: oh ... those were the days! no blaster worms then :) Aug 28, 2003 8:59:19 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: am I back? Aug 28, 2003 8:59:29 PM EDT
William Holden: :) Aug 28, 2003 8:59:29 PM EDT
William Holden: Yes JC Aug 28, 2003 8:59:35 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: ahh...blaster.. Aug 28, 2003 8:59:36 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: yes, juana Aug 28, 2003 8:59:37 PM EDT
Jodie Patterson: yes JC Aug 28, 2003 8:59:40 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Yes but there would be no distance classes Aug 28, 2003 8:59:41 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: . Aug 28, 2003 8:59:41 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: see you KM Aug 28, 2003 8:59:47 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: thanks Aug 28, 2003 8:59:53 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: test Aug 28, 2003 9:00:02 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: sure there were, dj, it just took all week to hitch up the wagon and get to class :) Aug 28, 2003 9:00:09 PM EDT
William Holden: It's amazing how much of this we take for granted Aug 28, 2003 9:00:15 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: Very true MM Aug 28, 2003 9:00:29 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: yes WH Aug 28, 2003 9:00:35 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I think it's funny to hear people complain about registering online nowadays Aug 28, 2003 9:00:41 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: That's true , Marcia:) Aug 28, 2003 9:00:41 PM EDT
Anne Waller: hello Aug 28, 2003 9:00:41 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Bush was a real whiz kid but most of the article was extrapolation of current technology and trends. Aug 28, 2003 9:00:43 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: He even described voice recognition, which still hasn't reached it's full potential Aug 28, 2003 9:00:44 PM EDT
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William Holden: I caught that as well CJ Aug 28, 2003 9:01:04 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: test Aug 28, 2003 9:01:42 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: and scanning images into PDF almost Aug 28, 2003 9:01:44 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: but arent we still doing the same thing as they did, discovering better technology Aug 28, 2003 9:01:49 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: But he recognized the importance of colocation of similar materials and how to retrieve them Aug 28, 2003 9:01:56 PM EDT
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Harvey Ackerman: The memex was a personal device, not a networked one. Aug 28, 2003 9:02:10 PM EDT
William Holden: Yes JC we are Aug 28, 2003 9:02:13 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: a 1945 pda? Aug 28, 2003 9:02:38 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: The lines of statements keep running together on my screen, does anyone else have that prolbem? Aug 28, 2003 9:02:38 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: so then as we continue, the way that we look for things will be the same Aug 28, 2003 9:02:47 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: No Anne Aug 28, 2003 9:02:52 PM EDT
William Holden: Sometime AMD Aug 28, 2003 9:02:55 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: I was still here but couldn't type anything Aug 28, 2003 9:03:12 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: that happens to me alot Aug 28, 2003 9:03:26 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: exactly, Marcia Aug 28, 2003 9:03:28 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: that happened to me too Anne Aug 28, 2003 9:03:31 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: that happened to me before AW Aug 28, 2003 9:03:33 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I had that problem aw ... exited & rejoined Aug 28, 2003 9:03:38 PM EDT
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Robert Slabaugh: that seems to happen to me too AW Aug 28, 2003 9:03:57 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: He was able to understand the need for indexing to work more like the human mind, by making associations, rather than alphabetically Aug 28, 2003 9:04:01 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: I think you have to get out and come back. But it takes me so long! I have dial up - SOOO slow Aug 28, 2003 9:04:12 PM EDT
Anne Waller: . Aug 28, 2003 9:04:12 PM EDT
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Tony Conigliaro: hello? Aug 28, 2003 9:04:26 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: yep, that's what you have to do. Aug 28, 2003 9:04:29 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: hi tony Aug 28, 2003 9:04:32 PM EDT
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Cheris Carpenter: hello tony Aug 28, 2003 9:04:36 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: welcome! Aug 28, 2003 9:04:36 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: He described a basic version of the internet with the associative information piece. Aug 28, 2003 9:04:38 PM EDT
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Robert Slabaugh: tallahassee dial up is slow anyway, at least for me Aug 28, 2003 9:04:56 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Right Anna, that's how I saw it, like a vision of the web Aug 28, 2003 9:04:58 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I wonder how much he really knew ? and how much was fiction? Aug 28, 2003 9:05:14 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: Maybe he had some inside info? Aug 28, 2003 9:05:20 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I was wondering that too Marcia Aug 28, 2003 9:05:28 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: MM - probably a man of a lot of books Aug 28, 2003 9:05:28 PM EDT
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Nora Loyd: maybe now I can say something...the memex using microfilm seemed quaint to me, I'd say he didn't foresee the digitization of information Aug 28, 2003 9:05:39 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: that one was for my librarian counterparts ;) Aug 28, 2003 9:05:41 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: I don't see it quite like that. The web is a communications vehicle, though, and memex was personal. He missed the communications revolution completely Aug 28, 2003 9:05:42 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: I wondered also.. Aug 28, 2003 9:05:43 PM EDT
William Holden: He must have had some knowledge to hit things so close to reality Aug 28, 2003 9:05:45 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I think he saw the need for people needing to access information easier, and then just imagined how it could be done Aug 28, 2003 9:05:51 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: I agree CJ Aug 28, 2003 9:06:12 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: I thought the memex was like a PDA device Aug 28, 2003 9:06:16 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: I agree Aug 28, 2003 9:06:16 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: it's possible Aug 28, 2003 9:06:18 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: A table sized PDA! Aug 28, 2003 9:06:26 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: As opposed to seeing how much money can be made? Aug 28, 2003 9:06:26 PM EDT
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William Holden: I thought that as well CC Aug 28, 2003 9:06:37 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: yeah man! Aug 28, 2003 9:06:41 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: I compared the instruments to todays Aug 28, 2003 9:06:48 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I think he was speculating, and had incredible vision and imagination Aug 28, 2003 9:06:49 PM EDT
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Jeff Tomlinson: and the memex was to store periodicals locally; ownership instead of access Aug 28, 2003 9:06:59 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: very creative Aug 28, 2003 9:06:59 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: That's true Harvey, the Memex was personal, but I think the concept of linking one thing to another reminds me of the web Aug 28, 2003 9:07:03 PM EDT
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Anne Maroney-Donelan: I hope this system improves, this is driving my nuts Aug 28, 2003 9:07:17 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: I agree CJ Aug 28, 2003 9:07:22 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Oh, the linking is definitely early hypertext. Aug 28, 2003 9:07:23 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: CJ - key word there: "linking" Aug 28, 2003 9:07:24 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: He didn't mention copyright though ... who really owns the materials? Aug 28, 2003 9:07:25 PM EDT
Anne Waller: me too! Aug 28, 2003 9:07:29 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Yes Aug 28, 2003 9:07:31 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: and ownership is a big issue in both the print and electronic world Aug 28, 2003 9:07:45 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I can see you chating but suddenly I can't add to the discussion so have to leave and come back. Aug 28, 2003 9:07:58 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: he described hypertext, which we associate with Web & Internet, but doesn't require either Aug 28, 2003 9:08:01 PM EDT
William Holden: But was it that big back in the 1940's Aug 28, 2003 9:08:01 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Yes, Vannevar couldn't have imagined the copyright issues we are dealing with Aug 28, 2003 9:08:13 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: I see you DJ Aug 28, 2003 9:08:25 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: right - digital/online info has multiplied copyright issues Aug 28, 2003 9:08:36 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Thanks CC Aug 28, 2003 9:08:36 PM EDT
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Kelly Ashling: AW - i think so much so that government has hardly been able to keep up Aug 28, 2003 9:08:56 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: I stayed analog in my interpretation ... I didn't get linking as internet so much as just colocating similar materials Aug 28, 2003 9:08:59 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: He talked about sharing without a thought to ownership Aug 28, 2003 9:09:02 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: in any medium ... Aug 28, 2003 9:09:12 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: The linking was in the association of one idea with another. Aug 28, 2003 9:09:24 PM EDT
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Ashley Moore: I did also MM Aug 28, 2003 9:09:31 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: i didn't catch the linking part--i thought of it more like setting up files and folders on your PC Aug 28, 2003 9:09:37 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: Also on page 16 he describes "leaving one item in position while calling up another" that reminds me of Windows interface Aug 28, 2003 9:09:47 PM EDT
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Dawn Winterling: yes me too CJ Aug 28, 2003 9:10:00 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I was struck by his use of mechanics to run his memex rather than electronics Aug 28, 2003 9:10:02 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: That can be true also Jeff Aug 28, 2003 9:10:03 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: all those levers Aug 28, 2003 9:10:26 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: CJ - well it mimics the use of the brain - to think about more than one thing at a time and return to a thought as well Aug 28, 2003 9:10:26 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Another thing that is missing is any kind of OCR - there you are microfilming all your life and tediously coding every piece of paper! Wow. Ray Kurweil, where are you when we need you? Aug 28, 2003 9:10:42 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: He talks of multiple screens as well Aug 28, 2003 9:10:43 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: That's great Kelly, I like that Aug 28, 2003 9:10:47 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: one thought leads to another and another.... Aug 28, 2003 9:10:51 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: a computer is, after all, simply a well organized brain Aug 28, 2003 9:10:52 PM EDT
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Nora Loyd: but you'd have to obtain the materials to add to your memex, like buying a book for your library, since Bush still thought of info as tied to document probably didn't see how we would wind up copying stuff electronically as easily as we do now Aug 28, 2003 9:11:05 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I think that's what he was envisioning too Aug 28, 2003 9:11:06 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: I agee kelly Aug 28, 2003 9:11:21 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: but it is driven by a human Aug 28, 2003 9:11:40 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: good point about info tied to a document Aug 28, 2003 9:11:47 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I was surprised by his talk of "dry photography" Aug 28, 2003 9:11:47 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: it learns, forgets, and can have amnesia Aug 28, 2003 9:11:49 PM EDT
William Holden: Why Diane? Aug 28, 2003 9:11:58 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: That was cool Diane Aug 28, 2003 9:12:06 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: What he was talking about really is what we have now with copiers and fax machines Aug 28, 2003 9:12:18 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: that photography one made me go.."hmmmm" Aug 28, 2003 9:12:19 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: but it was so long from his vision to now. Aug 28, 2003 9:12:34 PM EDT
William Holden: True.. Aug 28, 2003 9:12:34 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: He really saw much of what we have and even a good bit of how to do it, but did not carry it quite far enough Aug 28, 2003 9:13:21 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: yes, he talks about mimicing the way humans associate ideas, a connectionist model for managing info Aug 28, 2003 9:13:24 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I always think visionaries like Bush anticipate the best that can be done with technology, not its everyday uses and the effects on normal life Aug 28, 2003 9:13:36 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: test Aug 28, 2003 9:13:38 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: He was the vision-guy ... he didn't *do* implementing :) Aug 28, 2003 9:14:02 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I think Karen that he was trying to make it personal for individuals rather than broad Aug 28, 2003 9:14:23 PM EDT
Anne Waller: . Aug 28, 2003 9:14:36 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: personalized information spaces Aug 28, 2003 9:14:48 PM EDT
William Holden: I got the personal side of it as well. Aug 28, 2003 9:14:49 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I got the impression that he was trying to show us how each person could add to the infroamtion Aug 28, 2003 9:14:56 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I was thinking about people trying one search in a search engine and looking at only the top result, maybe the very opposite of the intention Aug 28, 2003 9:15:05 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: sorry information Aug 28, 2003 9:15:08 PM EDT
William Holden: Yet I wondered how he visualized sharing the information? Aug 28, 2003 9:15:12 PM EDT
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Dawn Winterling: well, he mentioned sharing a trail with a friend Aug 28, 2003 9:15:39 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: Not broad enough WH Aug 28, 2003 9:15:54 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: like many things, the idea was ahead of the technology to support it Aug 28, 2003 9:16:00 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: There was a way to detach a trail to pass it along Aug 28, 2003 9:16:00 PM EDT
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William Holden: Yes but if it was truely a personalized machine, what was the sharing device besides printing it out Aug 28, 2003 9:16:09 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: he limited himself to sharing one on one Aug 28, 2003 9:16:16 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Just like buying a book, you could distribute your own work. Aug 28, 2003 9:16:17 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: that was the sharing device Aug 28, 2003 9:16:27 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Anyone else catch the cataloging/info retrieval bit: "Frequently-used codes are mnemonic, so that he seldom consults his code book; but when he does, a single tap of a key projects it for his use." I thought that was pretty funny actually. Aug 28, 2003 9:16:34 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: And that without organization we would never grasp even a part of the info Aug 28, 2003 9:17:30 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: i think one of the important points Bush had is early on in the article...that we were moving to an era where the amount of info available was increasing and organizing that info would become more & more important to society Aug 28, 2003 9:16:35 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Definitely NL! Aug 28, 2003 9:17:02 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: I agree Nora. Thats what everyone is doing Aug 28, 2003 9:17:29 PM EDT
Anne Waller: He kind of said that again at the end of the article...but in a slightly different way Aug 28, 2003 9:17:39 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: yes,harvey (weren't you Steve in a previous class?) Aug 28, 2003 9:17:49 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: Or was it Rich in a previous class? Aug 28, 2003 9:18:05 PM EDT
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Harvey Ackerman: Rich Aug 28, 2003 9:18:14 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: yeah it was rich!!! Aug 28, 2003 9:18:17 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: YEah, the statements about general use of information and the org. of , regardless of his technology statements, are what I meant by the timelessness of his article Aug 28, 2003 9:18:23 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: sorry :( Aug 28, 2003 9:18:47 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: I think that Bush really had a grasp of the obvious. Information can overwhelm. We need organization to help deal Aug 28, 2003 9:19:39 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: so, one thing that is interesting is that organization of info and retrieval of info are pretty closely entwined Aug 28, 2003 9:19:48 PM EDT
Mark Davis: I a back Aug 28, 2003 9:19:52 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: test Aug 28, 2003 9:19:53 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: agreed Aug 28, 2003 9:19:59 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: So many people then did not understand that Aug 28, 2003 9:20:04 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: yes, dr j Aug 28, 2003 9:20:06 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: looks like itis working Mark Aug 28, 2003 9:20:11 PM EDT
Nicole Shinskie: yes Aug 28, 2003 9:20:11 PM EDT
William Holden: Yes Dr. J Aug 28, 2003 9:20:14 PM EDT
Mark Davis: ok Aug 28, 2003 9:20:16 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: org and retrieval are two sides of the same coin Aug 28, 2003 9:20:18 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: we seem kind of in a paralell place; there's so much information on the internet now and we need the organization to grasp it in a timely manner Aug 28, 2003 9:20:19 PM EDT
Ashley Moore: I agree Aug 28, 2003 9:20:20 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: does anyone know what a wax disk looks like? Aug 28, 2003 9:20:48 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: And weed out the unnecessary Aug 28, 2003 9:20:53 PM EDT
William Holden: As in his day, the information for us today keeps growing more rapidily than we can keep up with Aug 28, 2003 9:20:54 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I do Aug 28, 2003 9:20:54 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: there's so much information *everywhere* ... how do we know how to find it? Aug 28, 2003 9:21:01 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: do tell Aug 28, 2003 9:21:02 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: What kind of disk? Aug 28, 2003 9:21:17 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: indeed MM Aug 28, 2003 9:21:19 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: a wax disk Aug 28, 2003 9:21:29 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I think that's the biggest problem with the Internet - its so disorganized Aug 28, 2003 9:21:35 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: And what is good MM Aug 28, 2003 9:21:35 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: how do we determine what is "unnecessary" D J Aug 28, 2003 9:21:39 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: a lot of the methods we will discuss are what makes it possible for you to find info in the vast amount out there Aug 28, 2003 9:21:46 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: t Aug 28, 2003 9:21:53 PM EDT
Anne Waller: and do they always involved complex algorithms?? :) Aug 28, 2003 9:22:13 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: It is personal... therefore each person must choose for himself Aug 28, 2003 9:22:13 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: a lot do, Anne Aug 28, 2003 9:22:22 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: It's a rather subjective term, isn't Dawn? Aug 28, 2003 9:22:28 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: I see Aug 28, 2003 9:22:29 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but again, you can understand the concepts Aug 28, 2003 9:22:34 PM EDT
Anne Waller: Yeah!!! :) Just kidding... Aug 28, 2003 9:22:37 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: somethimes its overwhelming Aug 28, 2003 9:22:45 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: thanks Aug 28, 2003 9:22:56 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so, why the question about a wax disk? Aug 28, 2003 9:23:18 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I think they are critical to finding information - but can't algorithms be incorrect? or just not suited for a particular database? Aug 28, 2003 9:23:29 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: algorithms are like computers, they only do what you tell them to do Aug 28, 2003 9:23:58 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: he talked about recording onto wax disks Aug 28, 2003 9:23:58 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: . Aug 28, 2003 9:24:32 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so algorithms can not work well or be inappropriate for the task Aug 28, 2003 9:24:35 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: like records? Aug 28, 2003 9:24:36 PM EDT
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Peggy Simmons: . Aug 28, 2003 9:29:08 PM EDT
Mark Davis: bread Aug 28, 2003 9:29:17 PM EDT
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Harvey Ackerman: Aren't algorithms just ideas? Programs are instantiations of algorithms that do what you tell them to do. Aug 28, 2003 9:24:55 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: Yes, Danielle Aug 28, 2003 9:25:01 PM EDT
Anne Waller: but doesn't that assume that the variables in the algorithm are appropriate? Ugh, I hope I'm making sense... Aug 28, 2003 9:25:16 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: A chocolate chip cookie recipe is an algorithm but it doesn't taste very good. Aug 28, 2003 9:25:26 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I would say that algorithms are instantiations of ideas, and programs are procedures built of algorithms Aug 28, 2003 9:25:39 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: OH rich...don't mention cookies...mmmmmmmm Aug 28, 2003 9:25:48 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: That's better! Aug 28, 2003 9:25:56 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: oh I see Aug 28, 2003 9:25:57 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: no, you are Anne Aug 28, 2003 9:25:58 PM EDT
Eric Ryan: . Aug 28, 2003 9:25:58 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: No cookies unless we all get some Aug 28, 2003 9:26:00 PM EDT
Mark Davis: i agree Aug 28, 2003 9:26:01 PM EDT
Mark Davis: Dr. J Aug 28, 2003 9:26:05 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: yes, Mark Aug 28, 2003 9:26:17 PM EDT
Anne Waller: okay, Aug 28, 2003 9:26:19 PM EDT
Mark Davis: programs are extensions of alogarithms Aug 28, 2003 9:26:46 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: not really Aug 28, 2003 9:27:27 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: a program can implement an algorithm or several algorithms Aug 28, 2003 9:27:48 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: Rich was right about a recipe being like an algorithm Aug 28, 2003 9:28:08 PM EDT
Mark Davis: explain in more detail Aug 28, 2003 9:28:22 PM EDT
Mark Davis: I am confused Aug 28, 2003 9:28:26 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: an exercise we used to do was to have everyone write an algorithm for something simple Aug 28, 2003 9:28:42 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: OK, what do you do to make a peanut butter sandwich? Aug 28, 2003 9:28:56 PM EDT
Anne Waller: PB, bread Aug 28, 2003 9:29:07 PM EDT
Peggy Simmons: . Aug 28, 2003 9:29:17 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: We used that as a way to teach people to give explicit instructions when teaching computer classes Aug 28, 2003 9:29:19 PM EDT
Mark Davis: etc Aug 28, 2003 9:29:19 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: put PB on the bread = sandwich Aug 28, 2003 9:29:20 PM EDT
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Peggy Simmons: . Aug 28, 2003 9:29:31 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: take out the knife first Aug 28, 2003 9:29:32 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: OK, but where do you start? Aug 28, 2003 9:29:38 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: good Dawn Aug 28, 2003 9:29:44 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: get the stuff out of the cupboard/fridge Aug 28, 2003 9:29:48 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: then open teh Pb Aug 28, 2003 9:29:48 PM EDT
Tony Conigliaro: at the store shopping Aug 28, 2003 9:29:48 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: At the grocery store Aug 28, 2003 9:29:51 PM EDT
Mark Davis: with the brain Aug 28, 2003 9:29:51 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: get the breasd Aug 28, 2003 9:29:53 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: Take pb out off shelf Aug 28, 2003 9:30:01 PM EDT
Mark Davis: thought of making the pb sandwich Aug 28, 2003 9:30:02 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: but you have to take the PB out of the cupboard Aug 28, 2003 9:30:03 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: we can go as far back as growing the peanuts Aug 28, 2003 9:30:05 PM EDT
Anne Waller: open the PB....take the knife....apply the PB onto bread.... Aug 28, 2003 9:30:06 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: right Aug 28, 2003 9:30:06 PM EDT
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Eric Ryan: with the recepie Aug 28, 2003 9:30:11 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Growing the wheat for the bread... Aug 28, 2003 9:30:14 PM EDT
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Mary Dumbleton: with an idea for what you want Aug 28, 2003 9:30:28 PM EDT
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Ashley Moore: . Aug 28, 2003 9:30:34 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: . Aug 28, 2003 9:30:35 PM EDT
William Holden: testing Aug 28, 2003 9:30:36 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: it could be endless but you define it as a specific part Aug 28, 2003 9:30:50 PM EDT
Lakeisha Mose-Manning: all algorithms would be different for this exampl but not necessarily wrong? Aug 28, 2003 9:31:04 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: so say you are in your kitchen, then start from there Aug 28, 2003 9:31:11 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: see you WH Aug 28, 2003 9:31:19 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: that is a good point, Lakeisha Aug 28, 2003 9:31:19 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: . Aug 28, 2003 9:31:25 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: there may be different ways of doing things Aug 28, 2003 9:31:26 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: some would be more efficient than others though Aug 28, 2003 9:31:34 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: That's true, different people have different approaches, but same outcome Aug 28, 2003 9:31:35 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: in programming you don't just want something to work, you want it to work efficiently and not use up a lot of resources Aug 28, 2003 9:32:14 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: so would it be a step (like in a recipe) but it has an ending? Aug 28, 2003 9:32:28 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so you might want to figure out how to expend the least amount of calories in making the PB sandwich and making it as fast as possible Aug 28, 2003 9:32:49 PM EDT
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Jeff Tomlinson: how about check for ingredients, first Aug 28, 2003 9:32:51 PM EDT
Anne Waller: . Aug 28, 2003 9:33:25 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: right Juana, although there can also be "loops" that only end when a particular circumstance is reached Aug 28, 2003 9:33:29 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: okay so the step process? Aug 28, 2003 9:33:34 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so, spread the PB until it is thick enough Aug 28, 2003 9:33:39 PM EDT
Tony Conigliaro: what if we use up more resources to find a more efficient way? Aug 28, 2003 9:33:47 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: get someone else to make it for you-no energy expended on your part Aug 28, 2003 9:33:53 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: delegation, robert? Aug 28, 2003 9:34:09 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I guess the question then is what is thick enough? Aug 28, 2003 9:34:09 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I think you have to decide that Diane Aug 28, 2003 9:34:24 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: then that is a balance - how much RAM are you going to tell your customers they have to purchase in their computers for instance Aug 28, 2003 9:34:32 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Right, Anne. Back to subjective definitions. Aug 28, 2003 9:34:37 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: But in programing that would be a very important step Anne Aug 28, 2003 9:34:49 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: well, this is good, because we all can diss the systems, but there is an incredible amount of processing going on Aug 28, 2003 9:35:26 PM EDT
Anne Waller: Agreed Aug 28, 2003 9:35:27 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: and each procedure is made up of smaller steps - remember in a computer everything is 1 and 0 Aug 28, 2003 9:35:54 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: True Aug 28, 2003 9:35:56 PM EDT
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Lakeisha Mose-Manning: . Aug 28, 2003 9:37:04 PM EDT
Anne Waller: . Aug 28, 2003 9:37:12 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: . Aug 28, 2003 9:37:28 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: visions of star trek food... Aug 28, 2003 9:37:37 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: . Aug 28, 2003 9:37:37 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: replicators can reproduce it all, Mary. :-) Aug 28, 2003 9:37:57 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: , Aug 28, 2003 9:38:18 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: :-) Aug 28, 2003 9:38:27 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: . Aug 28, 2003 9:39:04 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: cu Karen Aug 28, 2003 9:39:18 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: ! Aug 28, 2003 9:39:41 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I think we're all still having ichat problems Aug 28, 2003 9:39:42 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: . Aug 28, 2003 9:39:52 PM EDT
William Holden: I know I am Aug 28, 2003 9:39:54 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: It got very quiet ... Aug 28, 2003 9:40:00 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: Dr. CJ is having trouble posting right now. Aug 28, 2003 9:40:04 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Yes, the system doubles everything for me, usually, and ... Aug 28, 2003 9:40:15 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: Gotta love BB6 Aug 28, 2003 9:40:23 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: lines run together Aug 28, 2003 9:40:26 PM EDT
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Robert Slabaugh: . Aug 28, 2003 9:40:27 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: .. Aug 28, 2003 9:40:33 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: yes Karen! Aug 28, 2003 9:40:56 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: I think that when you dont say anything it freezes Aug 28, 2003 9:40:59 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I've noticed that my screen saver kicks in .... that's when I stop being able to type Aug 28, 2003 9:41:01 PM EDT
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David Hildebrandt: I like the other chat better Aug 28, 2003 9:41:04 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: me too MM Aug 28, 2003 9:41:08 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: I did also, David Aug 28, 2003 9:41:24 PM EDT
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William Holden: I had to delay my screen saver for 2 hours so it wouldn't interupt my ichats Aug 28, 2003 9:41:31 PM EDT
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Eric Ryan: . Aug 28, 2003 9:41:32 PM EDT
David Hildebrandt: I had to download 21 updates to make ythis work Aug 28, 2003 9:41:47 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: good idea wh ... i'll try that Aug 28, 2003 9:41:47 PM EDT
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Dawn Winterling: good idea William Aug 28, 2003 9:41:48 PM EDT
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Ashley Moore: . Aug 28, 2003 9:41:48 PM EDT
William Holden: No problem... Aug 28, 2003 9:41:59 PM EDT
Anne Waller: LOL - David Aug 28, 2003 9:42:00 PM EDT
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Anna Karsner: 21, David? Aug 28, 2003 9:42:03 PM EDT
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Danielle Daguerre: try clicking on your name in the participants log Aug 28, 2003 9:42:09 PM EDT
David Hildebrandt: yeah...was a little behind Aug 28, 2003 9:42:18 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I got my new laptop a couple of weeks ago and had to install 16 critical updates plus the patch ... Aug 28, 2003 9:42:18 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: java is such a good idea, too bad it is so problematic in practice Aug 28, 2003 9:42:20 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Me, too, David Aug 28, 2003 9:42:41 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: now I can't access our libraries' live chat reference program :( Aug 28, 2003 9:42:46 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I think I like the other chat better than this! Aug 28, 2003 9:42:47 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: Too bad Microsoft could allow SUN to control the standard Aug 28, 2003 9:42:54 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: I agree Diane Aug 28, 2003 9:42:59 PM EDT
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William Holden: I agree Diane Aug 28, 2003 9:43:05 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: i like old ichat alot better Aug 28, 2003 9:43:08 PM EDT
Anne Waller: Me too Diane Aug 28, 2003 9:43:14 PM EDT
Eric Ryan: java is an excellent language Aug 28, 2003 9:43:15 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: me too Aug 28, 2003 9:43:16 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: . Aug 28, 2003 9:43:28 PM EDT
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Juana Careaga: me too Aug 28, 2003 9:43:39 PM EDT
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David Hildebrandt: The only thing I like here is you can see the whole session Aug 28, 2003 9:44:07 PM EDT
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Harvey Ackerman: peter I'm laughing too hard to type right now Aug 28, 2003 9:44:16 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Hopefully the bugs will be worked out soon Aug 28, 2003 9:44:19 PM EDT
Anne Waller: I know, its a good feature David Aug 28, 2003 9:44:20 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: DH, yes, I do like that Aug 28, 2003 9:44:22 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: that would be good Aug 28, 2003 9:44:36 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: and especially useful when you get kicked off repeatedly! Aug 28, 2003 9:44:36 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: I'm doing a quick identity switch. CJ's system can't post, so now I'm CJ Aug 28, 2003 9:44:44 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: true Aug 28, 2003 9:44:44 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: i just wish i knew if i was still on or not - or if my problems are me or the software Aug 28, 2003 9:44:52 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: test Aug 28, 2003 9:45:04 PM EDT
William Holden: I lose part of the earlier session when I get booted off Aug 28, 2003 9:45:07 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: that was me dr j Aug 28, 2003 9:45:14 PM EDT
William Holden: You're still here Kelly Aug 28, 2003 9:45:21 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: OK, the Bb people will be happy to hear all our problems Aug 28, 2003 9:45:30 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I don't think your problems are just you we all seem to be suffering similar problems Aug 28, 2003 9:45:31 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: so peter is dr j now? Aug 28, 2003 9:45:33 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: they want it to work so hopefully they can fix it! Aug 28, 2003 9:45:49 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: it's amazing what modern technology can do these days :) Aug 28, 2003 9:45:55 PM EDT
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Peter Jorgensen: right - Peter is dr j Aug 28, 2003 9:45:55 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: hello kelly Aug 28, 2003 9:45:57 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: Hi CC Aug 28, 2003 9:46:04 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: eeks Aug 28, 2003 9:46:05 PM EDT
Anne Waller: . Aug 28, 2003 9:46:09 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: smile at Marcia Aug 28, 2003 9:46:11 PM EDT
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Peter Jorgensen: however, I have had a lot of problems with the other system as well Aug 28, 2003 9:46:31 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: what I think is happening is the volume of messages maybe Aug 28, 2003 9:46:47 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Dr. J, Dr. P&J, that is, are they aware of these problems, or do we need to let them know? Aug 28, 2003 9:46:52 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: you all are an active class! Aug 28, 2003 9:46:57 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Is there any way to turn off all the joinging and leaving messages? Aug 28, 2003 9:47:00 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I sometimes think that Bush's idea of levers to access info may be better than this Aug 28, 2003 9:47:03 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: right DJ! Aug 28, 2003 9:47:16 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: I was wondering about that too Rich Aug 28, 2003 9:47:18 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: Push that lever to the left, NOW! Aug 28, 2003 9:47:19 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: laughing Aug 28, 2003 9:47:19 PM EDT
William Holden: LOL Aug 28, 2003 9:47:26 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: lol Aug 28, 2003 9:47:27 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: lol ... rotfl :) Aug 28, 2003 9:47:34 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: LOL Aug 28, 2003 9:47:35 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: anyway, I will tell them, but you can also email the help people as well Aug 28, 2003 9:47:35 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: HaHaHa!!! Aug 28, 2003 9:47:38 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: levers and punched cards....sounds like voting! Aug 28, 2003 9:47:41 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: as I said, Bb6 is new for them as well Aug 28, 2003 9:47:48 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Oh not voting!\ Aug 28, 2003 9:48:00 PM EDT
Anna Karsner: Don't mention punch voting card in Florida! :-) Aug 28, 2003 9:48:01 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: . Aug 28, 2003 9:48:03 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: t Aug 28, 2003 9:48:04 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: It's time to hitch up that wagon and start heading to tally for next week's class :) Aug 28, 2003 9:48:10 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: ah...so there's a development team standing by to edit the code huh? Aug 28, 2003 9:48:10 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: in the future people will be able to communicate over the internet without any problems Aug 28, 2003 9:48:27 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: :) Aug 28, 2003 9:48:32 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: good one Jeff Aug 28, 2003 9:48:36 PM EDT
Jeff Tomlinson: . Aug 28, 2003 9:48:43 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: smile Aug 28, 2003 9:48:44 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: he Aug 28, 2003 9:48:46 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: how far ahead Jeff? Aug 28, 2003 9:48:49 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: V Bush & JT...visionaries! Aug 28, 2003 9:48:57 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I notice there were no dates mentioned, though Aug 28, 2003 9:48:58 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: dreams Aug 28, 2003 9:49:00 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: cu Jeff Aug 28, 2003 9:49:00 PM EDT
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Robert Slabaugh: this would be good if we could use this from the microphones build into out computers Aug 28, 2003 9:49:08 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: i mean why cant we if the speakers work Aug 28, 2003 9:49:29 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: There are some already available according to the techie at work. Aug 28, 2003 9:49:39 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: that would add to the bandwidth though Aug 28, 2003 9:49:47 PM EDT
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Juana Careaga: so we could listen to the chats Aug 28, 2003 9:49:55 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: the sounds you hear are on your local system Aug 28, 2003 9:49:58 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: I have a friend whose online class requires video-conferencing ... think what we could do to that ?! Aug 28, 2003 9:50:00 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: true - PJ....poor dial up people Aug 28, 2003 9:50:02 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: am I back??? Aug 28, 2003 9:50:11 PM EDT
William Holden: Yes Aug 28, 2003 9:50:15 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: yep Aug 28, 2003 9:50:17 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: we see you CJ Aug 28, 2003 9:50:19 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I would be afraid of what video could do. Aug 28, 2003 9:50:23 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: are there dial-up people in class? Aug 28, 2003 9:50:24 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Welcome, you are back! Aug 28, 2003 9:50:29 PM EDT
Anne Waller: yes Aug 28, 2003 9:50:29 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: cj is back but he's probably wearing a dress Aug 28, 2003 9:50:35 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: how is it Anne? Aug 28, 2003 9:50:36 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: yeah dr.j Aug 28, 2003 9:50:39 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: video add ten pounds Aug 28, 2003 9:50:42 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: yes Aug 28, 2003 9:50:42 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: LOL Aug 28, 2003 9:50:43 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: welcome back dr j Aug 28, 2003 9:50:44 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Yes, I'm dial up also. Aug 28, 2003 9:50:44 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: I represent that! Aug 28, 2003 9:50:51 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: Rich - i had almost forgotton how funny you are! Aug 28, 2003 9:50:55 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: I'm still dial up Aug 28, 2003 9:50:56 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I wish you could see us throwing computers at each other Aug 28, 2003 9:50:58 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: a web cam would be good! Aug 28, 2003 9:51:06 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: dial up tonight...they gotta get my dsl fixed Aug 28, 2003 9:51:08 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: i'd say yes dr j but I'm not sure who I'd be chatting with? Aug 28, 2003 9:51:09 PM EDT
William Holden: Now there's an idea Aug 28, 2003 9:51:13 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: i got one of those Aug 28, 2003 9:51:18 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: NL - you're smart to have a backup Aug 28, 2003 9:51:21 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: i had to use my financial aid to pay for cable internet Aug 28, 2003 9:51:28 PM EDT
Peter Jorgensen: How about just audio first? Aug 28, 2003 9:51:28 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: just trying to keep you all on your toes Aug 28, 2003 9:51:34 PM EDT
William Holden: It's working! :) Aug 28, 2003 9:51:43 PM EDT
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Marcia Martin: Remember your first day of first grade? Aug 28, 2003 9:51:46 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Just audio would be good Aug 28, 2003 9:51:48 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: Did you *ever* envision this? :) Aug 28, 2003 9:51:59 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: a stable ichat would be good too Aug 28, 2003 9:52:04 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: if you would like to hear my voice, I can post the PP intro I did for orientation Aug 28, 2003 9:52:14 PM EDT
David Hildebrandt: test Aug 28, 2003 9:52:16 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: that would give you a sound bite Aug 28, 2003 9:52:20 PM EDT
Nora Loyd: brainwave interface so we can just think across the net to each other Aug 28, 2003 9:52:28 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: I'd love to have a voice to associate with the words Aug 28, 2003 9:52:44 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: i'm still waiting for the INPUT BY OSMOSIS computer interface Aug 28, 2003 9:52:50 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: n l that would be excellent Aug 28, 2003 9:52:51 PM EDT
Karen Macarthur: yes, voice is nice Aug 28, 2003 9:52:53 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: not sure I want my brainwaves going over the net - they might fry it Aug 28, 2003 9:53:02 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: funny dr j Aug 28, 2003 9:53:17 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I can put the one lecture up Aug 28, 2003 9:53:21 PM EDT
Anne Waller: thanks Aug 28, 2003 9:53:29 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: sounds good to me Aug 28, 2003 9:53:31 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: PP has problems with the amount of audio it lets you add per slide Aug 28, 2003 9:53:36 PM EDT
Kelly Ashling: cool Aug 28, 2003 9:53:37 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: oh - I love a challenge ... Aug 28, 2003 9:53:39 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: I think we are getting a little fried right now. Aug 28, 2003 9:53:40 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so I haven't added audio to the lectures Aug 28, 2003 9:53:49 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: good night Aug 28, 2003 9:59:00 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: but an important word about the lectures Aug 28, 2003 9:54:02 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: PP is the opposite of Bush's vision - totally linear Aug 28, 2003 9:54:16 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I have put in lots of notes in the notes field for each slide Aug 28, 2003 9:54:19 PM EDT
Anne Maroney-Donelan: Yes, the double lines/merged lines are hard for me, I get vertigo very easily Aug 28, 2003 9:54:25 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: thanks Aug 28, 2003 9:54:27 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: so be sure to look at those too Aug 28, 2003 9:54:30 PM EDT
William Holden: How do you get to the notes? Aug 28, 2003 9:54:42 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: How do we get in notes view, I printed them out, but no notes printed Aug 28, 2003 9:54:46 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: My question to William Aug 28, 2003 9:54:54 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: rather also Aug 28, 2003 9:55:08 PM EDT
Anne Waller: thanks Corinne Aug 28, 2003 9:55:14 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: to see them on the screen, there is a bar to the left and at the bottom where you will see three dots Aug 28, 2003 9:55:14 PM EDT
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Christine Jamieson: Okay, I'll try it Aug 28, 2003 9:55:42 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: if you drag the bar you will see the notes, but not in slide mode Aug 28, 2003 9:55:48 PM EDT
Anne Waller: yikes, sorry, dr j!! Aug 28, 2003 9:56:17 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: you have to be in the mode where that you get when you are creating a slide Aug 28, 2003 9:56:29 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: sorry, I don't remember the "official" name for it Aug 28, 2003 9:56:44 PM EDT
Robert Slabaugh: outline view maybe Aug 28, 2003 9:57:05 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: . Aug 28, 2003 9:57:05 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: well, we done good ya'll Aug 28, 2003 9:57:18 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: we didn't have to totally bail out Aug 28, 2003 9:57:28 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Yes, Bush would have been proud Aug 28, 2003 9:57:33 PM EDT
Cheris Carpenter: okay thanks dr.j Aug 28, 2003 9:57:36 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: right Aug 28, 2003 9:57:37 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: thanks dr j Aug 28, 2003 9:57:44 PM EDT
William Holden: Thanks Dr. J Aug 28, 2003 9:57:45 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: thanks Dr. J Aug 28, 2003 9:57:53 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I will let the Bb people know there are problems and hopefully they can get a fix Aug 28, 2003 9:57:55 PM EDT
Marcia Martin: my brain hurts ... but I'll be back next week :) Aug 28, 2003 9:58:06 PM EDT
David Hildebrandt: thanks...I will be better next time...no technical difficulties Aug 28, 2003 9:58:11 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: please be sure to scrutinize the syllabus in detail! and the web site! Aug 28, 2003 9:58:16 PM EDT
Dawn Winterling: ok.... goodnight all! Aug 28, 2003 9:58:31 PM EDT
William Holden: Have a good weekend everyone! Aug 28, 2003 9:58:34 PM EDT
Christine Jamieson: Good night Aug 28, 2003 9:58:40 PM EDT
Diane Jackson: Lots to do this week it looks like Aug 28, 2003 9:58:40 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: I'm going to go have dinner Aug 28, 2003 9:58:45 PM EDT
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Diane Jackson: good night to all Aug 28, 2003 9:58:52 PM EDT
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Karen Macarthur: good night everyone Aug 28, 2003 9:58:55 PM EDT
Juana Careaga: enjoy, good night Aug 28, 2003 9:58:55 PM EDT
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Jeff Tomlinson: night Aug 28, 2003 9:58:57 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: and yes, there is lots to do in this class! Aug 28, 2003 9:58:58 PM EDT
Mary Dumbleton: goodnight all Aug 28, 2003 9:58:59 PM EDT
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Anne Waller: good night! Aug 28, 2003 9:59:02 PM EDT
Danielle Daguerre: n Aug 28, 2003 9:59:02 PM EDT
Felicia Bernath: ggod night Aug 28, 2003 9:59:04 PM EDT
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Anne Maroney-Donelan: good nitht Aug 28, 2003 9:59:08 PM EDT
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Danielle Daguerre: night Aug 28, 2003 9:59:12 PM EDT
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Harvey Ackerman: I love the sound of slamming doors late at night Aug 28, 2003 9:59:15 PM EDT
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Corinne Jorgensen: it's pretty funny I think Aug 28, 2003 9:59:28 PM EDT
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Jodie Patterson: Thanks Dr. J and night all! Aug 28, 2003 9:59:32 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: hilarious Aug 28, 2003 9:59:36 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: ta ta Aug 28, 2003 9:59:38 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: just don't get seasick! Aug 28, 2003 9:59:46 PM EDT
Harvey Ackerman: see you later! Aug 28, 2003 9:59:49 PM EDT
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Nora Loyd: i usually leave my audio muted...hardly even miss the beeps & whirs Aug 28, 2003 10:00:01 PM EDT
Corinne Jorgensen: bye Aug 28, 2003 10:00:20 PM EDT
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